• This topic was modified right now by Amanda French. Reason: added tags

Let me know if you have any further trouble.

I need to change a date for THATCamp Ohio 2018, and while I was able to so before, I can’t figure out how at this time (and to make the date change appear on the main THATCamp page). Our date is now Sept. 22, 2018. Help, please? Thank you!

Best,
Kristen

It is supposed to use that template by default, though, so I’ll check to make sure that’s happening on new sites.

I am having this same problem. I only have two registrations, but neither of them (including my own) is showing up on the “campers” page. Does it just take some time for them to populate?

Thanks!
Erika

Sorry for my delay in replying! I was away on vacation. Everything looks fine to me now: you’ve got 17 users and 17 people on your Campers page at http://ugainvalence2018.thatcamp.org/campers/ , including Anirban and Genoveva. I did also fix an issue with your avatar while I was at it. Let me know if you need anything else.

Amanda

One of my campers for THATCamp Marshall received a spam email (please see pasted below):

From: THATCamp <wordpress@thatcamp.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 3:28 PM
To: Lumpkin, Britton
Subject: [THATCamp] New message from Kristen

THATCamp
Hi Britton Lumpkin,
________________________________________

Kristen sent you a new message: “soniyalove2017 (AT) hotmail.com”
“Piacere di conoscerti;
Io sono la signorina Kristen, vedo il tuo profilo su incontro e adoro il tuo profilo, ti ho scelto per il mio amico. per favore, voglio che tu risponda direttamente alla mia email privata a (soniyalove2017 (AT) hotmail.com) in modo che possa darti altre mie foto e raccontarti tutto di me.

))))))))))))))))))))

Nice to meeting you;
I am Miss Kristen i see your profile on meet and I really love your profile, I have chosen you to my friend. please, I want you to reply directly to my private email at (soniyalove2017 (AT) hotmail.com) so that I can give you more of my pics and tell you all about me.”

Go to the discussion to reply or catch up on the conversation.

THATCamp wishes you well.

unsubscribe

• This reply was modified right now by Amanda French.

You’ve got 29 approved registrations on THATCamp Marshall 2018, and they’ve all got active user accounts, so everything looks normal. When you say they “didn’t go through,” do you mean that the registrant didn’t get their activation email? Emails from WordPress do often go to spam, so that could be what’s happening — you can ask your registrants to check their spam folder or (which is easier) just reset their password by clicking on the “Log in” link on your site at http://marshall2018.thatcamp.org/wp-login.php and clicking “Lost your password?” They will need to enter the same email address they used to register for the site.

If on the other hand people are saying they can’t *finish* the registration process, that would be more worrying. Can you take a look at your registrant or user list and let me know if there’s a person who should be on it but isn’t? A name is sufficient. That would help me to figure out what exactly is happening.

So sorry for the delay in replying! I tested this to see if deleting a THATCamp also deletes the admin user. And the answer is no: it doesn’t. Your user account will still exist, and it will allow you to log in to the main THATCamp site here and to any other THATCamps you’re a member of. So, as you doubtless saw, you go to Tools –> Delete Site and then agree to delete the site permanently, after which it sends the site administrator (you) an email with that language about your site and being gone forever and a link to click. Feel free to click that link.

I did get an error message after clicking the link, but it did nevertheless delete the site (and not the administrator’s user account). Let me know if you have any trouble and I can delete the site manually. I’ll see about maybe changing that language, too.

Amanda

Again, see screenshot: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mdrtkadmlz69so6/Screenshot%202017-04-25%2017.13.23.png?dl=0

We do have the Settings>Email USers setup however.

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Well, not easily — those options are coded in to a custom plugin. But let me take a look; I think I can do it.

Amanda

I’m also unable to edit my profile! When I log in and visit my profile page at thatcamp.org/people/rowellcj then click Edit I get the message “You do not have sufficient permissions to access this page.” Same result if I visit thatcamp.org/wp-admin.

Many thanks,
Chelcie

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You weren’t a user on the http://florida2017.thatcamp.org site (maybe you registered on site instead of through the website?) but I went ahead and added you as an author to the site, so you should be able to add your notes now.

Cheers,

Amanda

Oh sure, I still hang out and do this kind of thing when I can. Glad to hear it’s fixed. For future visitors to the thread, this issue used to happen when someone registers through the main site (thatcamp.org) and then wasn’t attached to any particular “subsite” such as newngland2017.thatcamp.org. It should now be the case that registering on the main site only *does* allow you to edit your profile.

But for cases like Natalie’s, I think it depends on where you’re coming *from* when you try to edit your profile, so that if you come from a URL for a “subsite” that you’re not a member of you might get that “You do not have sufficient permissions to access this page” error.

Amanda

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Sorry for delayed reply! Absolutely — these are options you can uncheck in the Dashboard by going to TC Registrations –> Settings. I’ll take the liberty of going to your site now and unchecking them, which will remove them from the form.

Cheers,

Amanda

Regards

A list of upcoming THATCamps appears on the home page of this site at thatcamp.org — I hope you’ll be able to find one that you can attend! Usually the organizers of each THATCamp put their own contact information on their separate website, so you can contact them about attending or asking questions.

Good luck with your research!

Amanda

Do you think that there is there any chance that a ThatCamp event might be organized next year ? I am currently designing a research project to apply for a PhD scholarship, and I would like to investigate further the organization, but also how it concretely goes at a US ThatCamp event. In effect, the objective would be to do a comparative study between France and the US to examine the interaction between such community and the academic system. I am currently working on my dissertation on the DH movement in France – this project would then be a continuation.

Thank you for reading this message,

Also, if you need further details, feel free to contact me –

Best regards,

Monia
Master’s degree at the Institute of political studies in Grenoble (France)

I would be greatly saddened by its loss. Our THATCamp here is beginning to really grow and I have been proud of it being a part of the THATCamp family. I have met and collaborated with an extraordinary amount of amazing people via various THATCamps, reconnected with old friends, improved my own pedagogy, and used it as a platform to bring brighter light to the digital humanities on my campus.

I have anxiety issues that make the standard, way too large, academic conference very uncomfortable for me. I began going to THATCamps in 2010 and literally cried tears of joy at the experience. I have seen no reason to go out of my way to go to conferences that are undemocratic, hierarchal, and costly. Frankly, I have never felt comfortable in academic circles or like I “fit in” until I attended my first THATCamp. I do not think I would be the educator I am without THATCamp and would be unsure what to do next without it.

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I tend to believe that we should not dissolve the council yet. I agree with Patrick when he says that the council have a role in defining what is a THATCamp in comparison to other camps. This is what is at stake. That’s why I would prefer that we think about a redesign of the Council’s missions, composition and elections.

It makes sense that the issue of archiving the website would follow from the question of disbanding the council. And I can certainly appreciate that even though the obligations of the council aren’t all that onerous, they do take up time that isn’t well recognized/compensated by the profession at large. I did note that a couple of initiatives suggested by the council (like Reflections on Thatcamps) didn’t reach fruition, presumably partly because of those time/reward constraints. I think a “maintain and monitor” approach to the thatcamp.org site (to see if it is being used or not used in new ways) would justify the continuing existence of the council, though perhaps in reduced numbers.

1. THATCamp Council: this is a decision that the Council should decide. If reasoning and justification for its initial constitution has passed and most things are running on their own, perhaps there isn’t a need for a council. If there is concern that not all THATCamps include the T, then that could be a role for the Council to review and advise organizations who organize something that isn’t a THATCamp as a TC.

2. THATCamp.org: Keep it! I represent a voice from RRCHNM, and we maintain digital projects. I just don’t see any reason to not keep it up and running. It remains a fantastic resource, and the site itself is a great archive of past and current THATCamps. It’s important to have a site generator, like this one, for small organizations and groups who don’t have a server to quickly and easily launch their own TC site.

Even if the “THATCamp moment” is passing, I still see no reason for the site, its resources, and its child sites to go away.

My sense regarding the site itself is that the question arises more as an aftereffect of the question of dissolving the Council. The technology is much more stable, thanks to our move to Reclaim, and funding for that remains in place from RRCHNM. Time commitments, I think, are in play — like so many others, it’s hard to dedicate time and energy to something outside our institutions that might or might not be a part of T&P or other advancement considerations.

I don’t think we have real data on the rates of THATCamps, or how many remain mere glints in people’s eyes. Those are good questions. My non-quantitative impression is that the rate has dropped off a bit lately. I don’t have an inkling about about how often sites are created but don’t actually happen. I know the number isn’t zero, though.

That said, I guess I am in a way a symptom of what has brought up these major questions. I have, in fact, visited the THATCamp page for research purposes in the past couple of years, but haven’t really paid attention to the discussions in forums. Now that I’ve had a quick look, I wonder if the proposed changes aren’t a bit precipitous. At the very least, I get the impression that there must be major issues (technology? funding? time commitments?) that haven’t been brought to the surface that make closing the site seem like an attractive option, so that I can’t judge the tradeoffs reasonably. On the surface, everything seems to be going along slowly but without major problems. Questions on the help forums are few, but they get answered. There are 17 forthcoming THATCamps mentioned at the site, though, as always, some are mere glints in someone’s eyes that may not happen. (has anyone undertaken a survey of how often proposed THATCamps don’t happen? and has anyone estimated whether the rate of new THATCamps is in decline or not?) You mention that there are now a variety of unconference-like events outside the THATCamp umbrella and wonder if some of the unconferences being held under the umbrella are actually concerned with technology at all, but in both cases I’d argue that there’s still a level of “brand awareness” of THATCamp as a painless introduction to DH that can be preserved until people no longer feel they need painless introductions to DH. From the forums, I gather that RRCHNM is no longer very invested in THATCamp, which is a shame but doesn’t reduce its value for other groups.

I’ll confess to having no memory of the 2016 council elections and it’s not easy to find out what happened here at the site. Again, viewed from the outside, it’s hard to see a crisis. All of the council members look like the kind of people I would have recommended for the role, even if they were chosen by a minuscule proportion of the potential electorate.

Even if there is a perception that the era of THATCamp is passing (like the recent tweets on the closing of NYPL Labs that noted that there is often a 3-5 year effective lifespan of such organizations) it seems to me that a maintain and monitor stance seems more appropriate than a let’s shake everything up and move on stance.

Just my thoughts, from the perspective of someone who hasn’t been engaged in the internal discussions at all. Hope they help.

These are fundamental, existential questions on the agenda, both for THATCamp and for DH in general. Much of THATCamp was rooted in a need for a space to train up and introduce new practitioners to Digital Humanities. Many other options have emerged to fit that need with various emphases and approaches, including, among others, different summer institutes from various funding sources.

That said, I currently lean toward a ‘No’ vote on both the above agenda items.

On archiving the site
One of the “flavors” of THATCamps has been the conference-anchored camp. These are typically 1-day (or partial day) events before or after national or regional conferences. Lucky ones get support from the anchor conference. Most do not, but they serve an outsized purpose in mixing up DHers and technologists with content specialists who would not otherwise be a part of the anchor conference. THATCamp.org provides some basic infrastructure to help those get organized. It’s worth facilitating that infrastructure.

Other flavors of THATCamps often — admittedly not always — do the same. Theme-based and region-based THATCamps have mixed success. However, such events without the boost of the same thatcamp.org infrastructure would introduce a significant hurdle to those events. THATCampPhilly is a strong and significant outlier to that assessment, as they have for years produced quite successful THATCamps without using the thatcamp.org system.

Beyond that infrastructure, though, thatcamp.org could be more helpful to THATCampers and organizers. I would like to see a new forum category for something like “Reflections on THATCamps” that would emphasize veteran THATCampers’ thoughts on what worked and what didn’t in THATCamps we attend, but would of course give attendees and organizers a space to share their impressions to benefit others. (‘Tales from THATCamp’ has an obvious appeal as the title, but I would end up writing in the voice of the crypt-keeper, so that’s right out).

Dissolution of the THATCamp Council

I’m slightly less attached to maintaining the Council than I am to maintaining the site, though I still lean toward keeping it, with possible new emphasis and expectations. We’re not especially active — or, indeed, necessary — in the way that I think Amanda originally envisioned when she did the big work to create it as part of the grant deliverable sustainability plan.

It could, though, play a significant role in continuing to define what is a _THAT_Camp, as opposed to an unconference by another name. THATCamp has undoubtedly introduced and spread the idea of an unconference to many people and organizations. That appeal is present, but not every unconference associated the DH/GLAM events need be a THATCamp, if there is not a technology component involved. Perhaps part of the forum proposed above could be helping people decide whether what they are creating is a THATCamp as opposed to a different kind of unconference. I have certainly attended THATCamps where the last “T” — technology — is little present.

I do have to acknowledge strong counterevidence to the positions I lay out above: activity on the site, and the results of the last THATCamp Council elections. While I see great enthusiasm for the idea of THATCamp when I attend them and talk with past participants, I haven’t seen activity on this thread, despite many retweets and quoted tweets appearing in the @THATCamp timeline.

In the last THATCamp Council elections, the equivalent of voter turnout was almost negligible. Given the hundreds, nay thousands, of known people who have attended a THATCamp — all of whom we want to hear from, interest in the Council elections was…minimal, at best.

Effective outreach is clearly an issue, but availability of cycles from THATCampers is also real — it’s a hard sell to get deeply involved when we’re all trying so hard to just get our day/paid jobs taken care of.

Any thoughts, responses, guidance is welcome and important. I know the requirement to be logged in to respond is an unfortunate barrier. Please tweet me at @patrick_mj, or the council/community in general at @thatcamp if you have trouble logging in. Please try to do a password reset before resorting to that option, though. Thanks.

Patrick Murray-John

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There are major topics on the agenda:

• Dissolve the THATCamp Council
• Archive thatcamp.org and close it to new users, sites, and forum content

Since these are clearly major decisions, we’d like as much feedback here from the THATCamp community as possible.

Some discussion questions at play are:

• Does THATCamp Council serve a purpose? Could it serve a new or better purpose? If it continues to exist, what might its role be? If it dissolves, what might be the repercussions?
• Is thatcamp.org needed to continue new THATCamps? Are new or continuing THATCamps needed in the first place, or is the model well-enough know that it doesn’t need the label/branding of THATCamp?

Please leave comments and thoughts about these issues to help us think through what THATCamp is now, what it might be in the future, and what the best way to meet the needs of people who have attended THATCamps might be.

The meeting will be held via Skype, and all are invited to share your thoughts there, too. Just leave your Skype username in the comments.

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If any other users encounter this issue, please either use a different email account with your THATCamp user account or else write chair at thatcamp dot org to have your password manually reset. Sorry!

Sorry to hear it! I tried resetting my own password and couldn’t reproduce the problem. If you give me the user’s name and email address, I’ll look into it. Worst comes to worst, I can manually reset it for them. You can email the info to chair at thatcamp dot org.

Cheers,

Amanda

Thanks for any help,

Lisa

maybe delete user?

Thanks!

Hi ?Jay Twomey?,

sow1 sent you a new message: “HI”

“I am prisca please contact me on my email address ( priscasow2 at hot ma”

Go to the discussion to reply or catch up on the conversation.

I’m sorry, but I’m having the same problem and I’m trying to update before a camp next week. Apologies!

Mary

Any idea why? It’s a bit late to do anything now, but I’m getting nervous that we’re not going to have enough food…

http://ritdhss2016.thatcamp.org/

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mu5u1jmkw2m0iwn/Screenshot%202016-04-26%2016.34.29.png?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/aoyj69ygsll320q/Screenshot%202016-04-26%2016.34.34.png?dl=0

i mean something like that site of the Bay Area 2011 website has in the sidebar, the “When?Where?” part… http://bayarea2011.thatcamp.org

if someone has clues for me they’d be very welcome!

thanks in advance,
emma

I updated some code on the website today, and when I test it now, logged-in users can edit their profiles properly. Can you try again? If it is still broken for you, please give me your username and I’ll investigate further.

Amanda

Thanks to some volunteer development time, new users who register for your THATCamp will now get an email with a link they can click to set their password. The issue was due to a WordPress update that broke that function in the THATCamp Registrations plugin. Read more at https://github.com/chnm/thatcamp-org/issues/124 if you like.

Let us know if there are any further issues!

Amanda

Drat, you’re right that you don’t have the right to set people’s passwords — sorry. Since I’m a system admin, I can, and I mistakenly thought site-level admins could too. The better workaround, then, until we get this fixed, is to manually email people the link to reset their passwords: http://thatcamp.org/wp-login.php?action=lostpassword People whose registrations are accepted are getting properly created as users and added to your site, so they just have to “reset” (really set) their passwords to find out what they are.

Sorry for the inconvenience! Will try to get it fixed.

Thanks,

Mia

Yes, if you have admin privileges on your site, you can go to users’ profiles and set a password for them and email it to them manually. Your site is http://cny2016.thatcamp.org, correct? I’ll do some testing to see if I can replicate the lack of emails sent. It is true that sometimes they go to people’s spam folders, which might be all that’s happening. If not, I’ll try to pin it down.

Cheers,

Amanda

• This topic was modified right now by Mia Tootill.

Do be sure not to test the registration form with the same account as you use to administer the site; sometimes that affects your ability to access it, although this looks like a different thing. Anyway, let us know if you have any more trouble!

Is there a way to access the camp that I registered?

She can’t register because she’s already a user: the main point of registration is to create the person a user account on the site. If it bothers you to have the registration list and the user list out of sync, you could remove her as a user and let her fill out the registration form.

Admittedly, the registration form should probably give you an error message along the lines of “You are already a user on this site” when you submit a registration request and are already a user, which I’ve just tested and which apparently it doesn’t do. We don’t have any developers currently who might add such a message, but maybe this weekend I can take a look to see if I can add it in myself. It’s probably beyond my capacity, though. Sorry!

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As per our email correspondence: all fixed! Yes, we’ve had that happen before, where people manage to remove themselves as Administrator by testing the registration form with the same email address (which tries to add you as an Author), although I thought we had coded in a prevention for that. In any case, it’s easy enough to fix manually, and I’ve added you back as an administrator.

Cheers,

Amanda

You attempted to access the “This&THATCamp Sussex Humanities Lab” dashboard, but you do not currently have privileges on this site. If you believe you should be able to access the “This&THATCamp Sussex Humanities Lab” dashboard, please contact your network administrator.

…notification when I try to follow up on them.

Any chance you could help me out and make me an admin again?

Thanks!

Thanks for this report! You’re right, the site was slow yesterday. I see you’ve been corresponding on Twitter about it with @reclaimhosting, as we have, and they’re tweaking things. For future readers of this post, see https://twitter.com/ReclaimHosting/status/697548358316126212 and associated conversations.

FYI, although the site is running MUCH better these days than it was before we moved to Reclaim, we do still have periodic issues, often due to the fact that it’s a great big network with 250+ sites and 9000+ users. But at least they’re not the SAME issues! If you’re interested, see this account of the history of THATCamp website issues over on the THATCamp Council forum at http://thatcamp.org/forums/topic/january-2016-thatcamp-council-meeting-agenda/ . Might write a blog post soon about it, as well.

Do feel free to keep talking to @thatcamp and @reclaimhosting on Twitter, but of course you can also post here if you like.

Cheers,

Amanda